{"id":1897,"date":"2012-11-05T08:00:47","date_gmt":"2012-11-05T07:00:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/museo.freaknet.org\/?p=1897"},"modified":"2025-08-29T15:41:13","modified_gmt":"2025-08-29T13:41:13","slug":"lidea","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/museo.freaknet.org\/en\/lidea\/","title":{"rendered":"The Idea"},"content":{"rendered":"

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[ram has address ram@hinezumi.im]<\/em>
\n[ram]<\/strong> xxxxxx
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0well
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0when we had this idea? some yeat ago?
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0at first I was thinking about to copy the board, starting from a scan of the original, remember?
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0the idea of *rebuilding it* was born when you found the guy who was selling boards
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0ok but that was after
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0so we say, ok, this madness is possible
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0but I can’t remember when we decided to do it, maybe some year ago
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0one of our chat
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0we were ever at Poetry Hacklab!
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0in which we thought it will be cool to rebuild an apple one
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0yes
\n[asbesto]<\/strong> ok, but why apple 1?
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0who knows
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0and not, just to say, the KIM 1 by Commodore? or \u00a0SOL by Lee Felsenstein? or \u00a0the IMSAI 8080?
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0there’s no answer to this question
\n[ram]<\/strong> l’apple 1 is the l’apple 1
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0later I found this american guy that made the board
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0and I thought: well, as usual we have good ideas and other people does before us! \u00a0O_O
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0before we found other people doing apple 1 clones
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0from which you found that american guy
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0don’t remember if I first found those guys in Germany with their apple 1 emulator board
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0I remember we say: if someone does it, so we can do it!
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0yes, at some point I thought: ok, let’s buy a board from this guy, put all those TTL chips and let’s roll!
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0I don’t give a xxxx about when and how this idea was born: LET’S DO IT!
\n[asbesto]<\/strong> hahahahahaha
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0and after all, the idea evolved
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0yes, we saw we had some chip in our shelves
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0so we passed from “let’s clone it” to “let’s do a GOOD clone”
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0and searching other chips online you started calculating all costs
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0and things went serious
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0to “let’s do a PERFECT clone, and to “well, let’s do a perfect clone from a Museum perspective!”
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0and here we entered the world of pain of component searching
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0but before we had to choose to BEGIN all this!
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0when we decided? 4 months ago? 3? 5?
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0before november of last year for sure
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0wait, cell
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0you know, I’m pregnant
\n[asbesto]<\/strong> hahahahahaha
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0you’re XXXXXX!
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0so november? ok but we had no money nor a place for the museum!
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0for sure we had to “start”
\n[ram]<\/strong> nooo asbesto
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0we was some time frozen because you were calculating all the costs
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0and we had no money, but we already decided to start
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0we were frozen some time, just calculating and searching cheap components
\n[ram]<\/strong> so we can do it<\/p>\n

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[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0I made the list of components and started searching in our lab and online
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a02 months almost
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0about 2 or 3 months passed since this phase
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0here I realized that it was a world of pain to find some components, and that we had no money ever for our bills
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0well we decided to collect money from our pockets just a few days ago, but we were already determined to do so
\n[ram]<\/strong> we were determined before summer
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0june, I remember
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0well at least is right to understand how much all this phase was long
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0and waiting and pain bevore having some money to purchase the board and the components
\n[ram]<\/strong> because the board was so expensive
\n[asbesto]<\/strong> well, my searching for components and my psychologic breakdown last from about 4 months. AHHAHAHAHHA
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0and is ever going on! hahahahaha
\n[ram]<\/strong> for sure it was before hackit because I dont remember but we were talkin’bout this with someone at hackit
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0BEFORE HACKIT 2012<\/p>\n

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[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0and during the trip to hackit
\n[ram]<\/strong> maybe we were talking about this with \u00a0mancausoft in the car
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0and with Fanfani at verdebinario
\n[ram]<\/strong> we talked to verdebinario guys during the pizza meeting with them
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0but I remember that we had just some idea about how to do this
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0we were talking with mancausoft about programming a PIC to clone some rare chip
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0if I remember well you were in search for the guy that made the board
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0maybe not
\n[asbesto]<\/strong> no, I know that guy since years ago
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0listem, who cares about exact dates? let’s just say we started in june?
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0don’t remember if we talked about this in hackit
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0and if this become concrete after hackit
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0so all the searching phase started between spring and summer
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0I believe it was so
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0and moreover we had the possibility to find components more originals<\/p>\n

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[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0and we talked also about recovering vintage chips in my backyard
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0outside, it was so hot ever at night
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0and it was the first time you talked to me about recovering vintage chips
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0so in august
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0wait, wanna check dates in my files
\n[asbesto]<\/strong> ok, from dates I will say that all this started in august
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0I mean the serious activity, part list checking, etc.
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0collecting all docs… I have everything \ud83d\ude42
\n[ram]<\/strong> yes, we can consider august for sure
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0well, 3 month, considering also some search made some months before…
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0ok
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0so?
\n[asbesto]<\/strong> LET’S DO IT!
\n[asbesto]<\/strong> HAHAHAHAHAHA
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0so, xxx xxxxx
\n[ram]<\/strong> just wait for those components and do it
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0we need to structure all docs. just started doing this
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0ok but now, without your digital camera, how do you take pictures of everything?
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0since components start to come here?
\n[asbesto]<\/strong> hmmm dunno. I will solve this \ud83d\ude42
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0we need to put everything online, creating a space fo this
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0every datasheet, all technical docs
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0I started collecting docs just months ago \ud83d\ude42 also I documented searching phases \ud83d\ude42
\n[ram]<\/strong> ok, gotta go xxxxxxx
\n[asbesto]<\/strong> hahahha
\n[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0see you tomorrow at the museum
\n[ram]<\/strong> \ud83d\ude42
\n[asbesto]<\/strong> perfect
\n[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0in the afternoon
\n[asbesto]<\/strong> ciao
\n[asbesto]<\/strong> \ud83d\ude42
\n[ram]<\/strong> si, ciao
\nTcl interface unloaded<\/em>
\n Perl interface unloaded<\/em>
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