{"id":1897,"date":"2012-11-05T08:00:47","date_gmt":"2012-11-05T07:00:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/museo.freaknet.org\/?p=1897"},"modified":"2025-08-29T15:41:13","modified_gmt":"2025-08-29T13:41:13","slug":"lidea","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/museo.freaknet.org\/en\/lidea\/","title":{"rendered":"The Idea"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>**** INTERNET RELAY CHAT<br \/>\n**** Server: hinezumi.im &#8211; info at http:\/\/hinezumi.im<br \/>\n**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 4 22:38:45 2012<\/p>\n<p><em>[ram has address ram@hinezumi.im]<\/em><br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong> xxxxxx<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0well<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0when we had this idea? some yeat ago?<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0at first I was thinking about to copy the board, starting from a scan of the original, remember?<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0the idea of *rebuilding it* was born when you found the guy who was selling boards<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0ok but that was after<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0so we say, ok, this madness is possible<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0but I can&#8217;t remember when we decided to do it, maybe some year ago<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0one of our chat<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0we were ever at Poetry Hacklab!<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0in which we thought it will be cool to rebuild an apple one<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0yes<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong> ok, but why apple 1?<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0who knows<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0and not, just to say, the KIM 1 by Commodore? or \u00a0SOL by Lee Felsenstein? or \u00a0the IMSAI 8080?<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0there&#8217;s no answer to this question<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong> l&#8217;apple 1 is the l&#8217;apple 1<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0later I found this american guy that made the board<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0and I thought: well, as usual we have good ideas and other people does before us! \u00a0O_O<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0before we found other people doing apple 1 clones<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0from which you found that american guy<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0don&#8217;t remember if I first found those guys in Germany with their apple 1 emulator board<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0I remember we say: if someone does it, so we can do it!<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0yes, at some point I thought: ok, let&#8217;s buy a board from this guy, put all those TTL chips and let&#8217;s roll!<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0I don&#8217;t give a xxxx about when and how this idea was born: LET&#8217;S DO IT!<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong> hahahahahaha<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0and after all, the idea evolved<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0yes, we saw we had some chip in our shelves<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0so we passed from &#8220;let&#8217;s clone it&#8221; to &#8220;let&#8217;s do a GOOD clone&#8221;<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0and searching other chips online you started calculating all costs<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0and things went serious<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0to &#8220;let&#8217;s do a PERFECT clone, and to &#8220;well, let&#8217;s do a perfect clone from a Museum perspective!&#8221;<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0and here we entered the world of pain of component searching<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0but before we had to choose to BEGIN all this!<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0when we decided? 4 months ago? 3? 5?<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0before november of last year for sure<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0wait, cell<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0you know, I&#8217;m pregnant<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong> hahahahahaha<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0you&#8217;re XXXXXX!<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0so november? ok but we had no money nor a place for the museum!<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0for sure we had to &#8220;start&#8221;<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong> nooo asbesto<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0we was some time frozen because you were calculating all the costs<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0and we had no money, but we already decided to start<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0we were frozen some time, just calculating and searching cheap components<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong> so we can do it<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/museo.freaknet.org\/?attachment_id=1899\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-1899\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1899 aligncenter\" title=\"DSCN6280\" src=\"http:\/\/museo.freaknet.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/DSCN6280-600x448.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"420\" height=\"314\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0I made the list of components and started searching in our lab and online<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a02 months almost<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0about 2 or 3 months passed since this phase<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0here I realized that it was a world of pain to find some components, and that we had no money ever for our bills<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0well we decided to collect money from our pockets just a few days ago, but we were already determined to do so<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong> we were determined before summer<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0june, I remember<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0well at least is right to understand how much all this phase was long<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0and waiting and pain bevore having some money to purchase the board and the components<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong> because the board was so expensive<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong> well, my searching for components and my psychologic breakdown last from about 4 months. AHHAHAHAHHA<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0and is ever going on! hahahahaha<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong> for sure it was before hackit because I dont remember but we were talkin&#8217;bout this with someone at hackit<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0BEFORE HACKIT 2012<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/museo.freaknet.org\/?attachment_id=1900\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-1900\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1900 aligncenter\" title=\"DSCN4916\" src=\"http:\/\/museo.freaknet.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/DSCN4916-600x448.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"420\" height=\"314\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0and during the trip to hackit<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong> maybe we were talking about this with \u00a0mancausoft in the car<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0and with Fanfani at verdebinario<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong> we talked to verdebinario guys during the pizza meeting with them<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0but I remember that we had just some idea about how to do this<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0we were talking with mancausoft about programming a PIC to clone some rare chip<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0if I remember well you were in search for the guy that made the board<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0maybe not<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong> no, I know that guy since years ago<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0listem, who cares about exact dates? let&#8217;s just say we started in june?<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0don&#8217;t remember if we talked about this in hackit<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0and if this become concrete after hackit<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0so all the searching phase started between spring and summer<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0I believe it was so<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0and moreover we had the possibility to find components more originals<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/museo.freaknet.org\/?attachment_id=1899\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-1899\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1899 aligncenter\" title=\"DSCN6280\" src=\"http:\/\/museo.freaknet.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/11\/DSCN6280-600x448.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"420\" height=\"314\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0and we talked also about recovering vintage chips in my backyard<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0outside, it was so hot ever at night<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0and it was the first time you talked to me about recovering vintage chips<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0so in august<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0wait, wanna check dates in my files<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong> ok, from dates I will say that all this started in august<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0I mean the serious activity, part list checking, etc.<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0collecting all docs&#8230; I have everything \ud83d\ude42<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong> yes, we can consider august for sure<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0well, 3 month, considering also some search made some months before&#8230;<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0ok<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0so?<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong> LET&#8217;S DO IT!<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong> HAHAHAHAHAHA<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0so, xxx xxxxx<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong> just wait for those components and do it<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0we need to structure all docs. just started doing this<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0ok but now, without your digital camera, how do you take pictures of everything?<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0since components start to come here?<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong> hmmm dunno. I will solve this \ud83d\ude42<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0we need to put everything online, creating a space fo this<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0every datasheet, all technical docs<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0I started collecting docs just months ago \ud83d\ude42 also I documented searching phases \ud83d\ude42<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong> ok, gotta go xxxxxxx<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong> hahahha<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong>\u00a0see you tomorrow at the museum<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong> \ud83d\ude42<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong> perfect<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong>\u00a0in the afternoon<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong> ciao<br \/>\n<strong>[asbesto]<\/strong> \ud83d\ude42<br \/>\n<strong>[ram]<\/strong> si, ciao<br \/>\n<em>Tcl interface unloaded<\/em><br \/>\n<em> Perl interface unloaded<\/em><br \/>\n<em> Python interface unloaded<\/em><\/p>\n<p>**** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 4 23:04:42 2012<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>**** INTERNET RELAY CHAT **** Server: hinezumi.im &#8211; info at http:\/\/hinezumi.im **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 4 22:38:45 2012<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":1898,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"colormag_page_layout":"default_layout","footnotes":""},"categories":[152,58],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1897","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apple-1","category-attivita"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.3 - 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